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welcome back to another episode of uap

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studies my name is jason and i'm joined

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here today with louis borges louis how

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you doing my man i'm doing really good

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brother how are you doing i'm doing very

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good we got a very good uh guest on

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today we have randall nickerson that's

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joining us today here who directed

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produced and filmed this fantastic movie

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aerial phenomenon it is by a string

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theory production uh and

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louis what did you uh think of the the

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the movie i i was blown away by it i

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thought it was really well done uh i was

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somewhat familiar with the story

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and i'm sure a lot of our listeners

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aren't familiar with it so we'll break

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it down uh explain what happened but uh

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we'll uh welcome randall to the show and

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uh tell us a little bit about yourself

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pre-incident and pre-film and uh you

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know some of your past work

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hi guys

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um

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just um

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and um

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my mom got me

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a camera when i was 10 or 11 probably 11

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years old

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and i never left me

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so eventually i um

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used it for

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more than play things um used it to

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actually make a film that hopefully will

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matter

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because there's so many people out there

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who've had

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encounters like this that are

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silent

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they're quiet

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and uh have no one to talk to

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so was this your first major project for

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this or have you done other things

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similar in the past no i i was doing um

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short films and working on other other

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films or other people either as a

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camera operator or sound or i did

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literally every single role

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in the film industry and then um

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i started doing

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short uh

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film 16 minute films basically and um

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mostly that was uh in the

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psychiatric field to

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the film i did was right before this one

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was called a silence in the hurt which

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is about listening and

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um how listening is healing so much more

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healing than anybody speaking

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you know um

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that people's story

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when it's listened to heals

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you know a lot of none of us

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don't listen we um

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we've got we got all kinds of advice

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but the thing that actually does the

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healing is when somebody takes you in

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sees you hears you

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so that film did really well inside the

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psychiatric community

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and then this film i was actually doing

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another

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full feature dock on uh

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bud hopkins

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in his life as an artist his life

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researching ufos it's all in the can

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but as i was putting it together the

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john mack film

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the aerial school film

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surfaced and i and i just had to drop

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because that particular story

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i'm gonna finish the bud hopkins one

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trust me but this this particular story

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uh just was it was packed full of so

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many unique things

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the bbc and john mack from harvard

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university you got a schoolyard of kids

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and for those of our listeners who don't

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know just a quick rundown of what

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happened so september 16 1994 in rua

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there were 62 students between the ages

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of 6 and 12. um they saw a silver craft

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at least what they described as a silver

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craft uh one or more creatures were a

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parent that had no you know all black

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clothing they seemed to telepathically

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communicate with these students they all

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reported like they felt as if they were

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being communicated with individually yet

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this was a mass sighting so that's

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unique in itself too

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and you know it led to a whole lot of

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speculation and people you know

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just washing it off and saying you guys

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are crazy and then you know bigger

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scientists and bigger names including

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john mack got involved and figured out

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that yeah there was enough enough

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consistency with the base story that

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there's something here and what they saw

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is what they saw

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said you know if all these kids had the

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exact same story i would know there was

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some kind of collusion or they compared

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notes because it it's like broken

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telephone even grown adults will vary

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the story as it passes through people

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right and generational stories show that

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that where they all had you know some

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had said they saw more than one craft or

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more than one creature but there was

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still undoubtedly a craft and at least a

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creature

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everything else so um so that's the

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basis of the story and maybe you can

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elaborate on you know

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making of the film and you know what

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what happened immediately after that

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well that was a great synopsis good job

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a lot of people don't you know know all

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ins and outs of it um so

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after that you know it was it was hard

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if people realized but um

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didn't believe the kids and it was the

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kids themselves that went home and told

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like what happened to our children

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because they're coming home telling us

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they saw these things so that's what the

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kids themselves

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are why we're talking about this story

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right the witnesses themselves made this

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story a story

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and that took a lot of courage

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by them

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i i tipped my hat to them because um

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that was so brave as as little kids you

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we live in a time that's kind of like uh

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a me too fo you know like the me too

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movement but

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this film you captured um

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very well captured the emotional impact

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that this sighting had on these kids i

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mean they grew up to be adults you can

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or close encounters has always been

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the best ones

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producing this movie though you did have

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some setbacks and and some because it's

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of of labor labor of love

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uh but it took a while for the movie to

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come out what were some of the biggest

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challenges that you had in this randy

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um yeah i mean immediately the biggest

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challenge was money you know right i

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figured okay i'll make this film and

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it for sixty thousand dollars

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then i went to then i went to the school

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and realized oh my gosh the bbc were

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like well now i gotta to be able to do

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that i'm gonna have to spend an awful

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and um you know i looked it up like what

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you know my attorney which i had to get

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the further you go along the more you

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realize oh my gosh i need that and

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that's so expensive but he told me to do

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saying i'm gonna get the story done but

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the the financial part i had to raise

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money all the time i had to

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literally beg for money which was it's

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not something i've ever done or ever

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wanted to do i've never had a debt in my

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life and now i'm in debt but anyway

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affects you when you're

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and a hard one that's a hard challenge

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it was i mean it was uh and and to take

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for the film that it took so long to

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make because every single year

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pictures from some other reporter that

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was there that i didn't have some

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interview that i didn't have so

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if i put it out in two or three years

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which was what i would like to have done

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story and to me it became important that

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i want the full story like i don't care

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how long it takes it's it's an important

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one and i want to do it once right you

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know do it right do it once

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well you sure did it right that's for

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sure i think so i i i i i'm exhausted

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yeah well some of the the footage even

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that you've captured like when you're

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but like in zimbabwe africa and there's

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all these animals around giraffes

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elephants that you captured all these

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wildlife this is not you know um

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british columbia canada like where we're

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from this is like you go for a walk you

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might get eaten by something uh so this

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the the footage that you got and the

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in this country so yeah kudos great job

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i just have been all over the place i

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was staying in for a shack for quite a

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long time with no electricity no hot

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water or nothing

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but

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that the reality of because i have had

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cats and dogs in my life and i love

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animals

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but the reality is when first of all

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when i you have to open the door

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carefully because there's a snake called

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the puff adder which likes to lay itself

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down in front of the door it's it's a

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hemotoxic

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so you know it it deteriorates the cells

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so you gotta make sure that's not there

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for real because that's what they do

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they gain the heat from the bottom of

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the door and then you gotta walk outside

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and realize there's a 550 pound cat out

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there

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like that every day yeah can you imagine

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i mean unbelievable

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and it's i give them those people such

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and

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we have no idea what that's like i do

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because i lived it for a while and i all

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i have is respect for those people

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that's living

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[Laughter]

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when you hear about the difficulties

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that everybody sees gone through like

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including now when you're describing

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logistical but like at the time it

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happened you know the bbc reporters and

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correspondents and everybody who sort of

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arrived on the scene and got the story

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they ran the risk of like career suicide

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especially you're trying to get bbc

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which is a very conservative

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well-respected you know they have a lot

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to lose

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you know i think his name was tim leach

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he was a bbc war correspondent in

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zimbabwe and he was like how do i get

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them to take me seriously not sacrifice

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my career but felt so important about it

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and he just wouldn't stop and even with

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john mack i mean here's a respected

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harvard psychologist whose own

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colleagues basically threw him under the

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bus and said yeah we think john's

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starting to lose it a little bit and

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eventually you know harvard went to his

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defense and said hey he has the right to

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investigate whatever he wants his brain

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is still of harvard caliber but they

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strung him out for a little while first

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like they made him sweat and didn't come

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to his aid right away

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and a lot of people this is there must

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be so much

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impact from this story and everybody

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must believe it so emphatically that

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they're willing to say screw it you know

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a fifty thousand dollar movie to a

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million bucks let's get her done you

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know there's enough there that it's

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worth pursuing and everybody seems to

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have pursued this and your movie

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actually captures that really well and

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the struggle that some of these people

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went through and you know and so it

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might have led to drinking and all the

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rest i mean people had a hard time with

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the fact that a bloody flying saucer and

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and creatures

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landed and uh you can't just put that

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out of your head you can't unlearn that

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information

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yeah you're right you're right those

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those people deserve

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tim john mack yeah i mean they don't

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deserve a lot of credit because they put

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their reputations on the line big time

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yeah and it's funny because bbc

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hired him

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because he was a good war zone reporter

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i mean they sent him into situations

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where he got shot at his crew was killed

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yet when it came to something like this

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they abandoned him yeah and i and until

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his death he was angry about that and i

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understand

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but and then john mack basically they

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tried to ruin his reputation which i

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think they were effective at at the time

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but again when somebody like that's

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when people do that

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people look back in history and they're

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they're like yeah no you would nobody

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would normally do that

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yeah you know

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so john mcmahon passed away in 2004 but

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he lives today so does tim

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you know and that's what you do as a man

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as a fellow man when you see other men

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do this

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you bring it up

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and say that man put his life on the

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line his career on the line

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and you stand up for people like that

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and say he did something right

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and he deserves the credit right

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yeah

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that's for tim john i mean

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i could give you a list of people i've

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met um

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that i just command

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for them doing the right thing

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well even seeing john talk with the kids

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at the time i think he

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because this took place in september i

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think he didn't arrive till christmas

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time because i could see some christmas

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decorations december one after he

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arrived december one yeah so it's fairly

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short time for you know short notice um

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but the way that he handled the kids i

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was really impressed with that like in

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the recording the way that he would talk

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with him like what did you see did he

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say this and how did he communicate that

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with you just

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and seeing the kids response like you

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can tell just by their faces that these

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kids aren't bullshitting pardon my

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english but they're just not uh you know

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they're not lying they're telling the

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truth and even now as adults uh because

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you follow emily around emily i believe

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trim is her last name

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um and

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you follow her from canada all the way

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back to zimbabwe

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to go visit so can you tell us a little

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bit about that journey and how that

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played out

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um i interviewed emily and i think it

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was 2013 and i'd interviewed a lot of

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the kids sat with a lot of kids i i sat

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with a lot more kids than would were

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willing to go on camera okay just fyi

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okay uh you know people were worried

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about their reputations and emily was um

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i guess the best way to say it was she

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was in the middle of processing it

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and she was very open with me when i

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interviewed her

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and

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immediately after my interview i'm like

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that's that's the person that's the

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person

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to take back to the school

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and um

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a few years went by because of

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i had to get i got one of the best

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editors on the planet and finally

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convinced him that the story was legit

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and you know initially he's like yeah

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i'm not interested in aliens and i'm

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like you need to see the tapes

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you need to see the interviews once he

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saw the interviews wow he was on board

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so oh really

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yes and then um

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i actually went to high school with this

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guy he was a

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i mean he did fahrenheit 911 he did a

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lot of michael moore's films he's

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fantastic he's a brilliant man

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christopher christopher seward he's

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brilliant like you know the editing was

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well done in the movie so yeah he's

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it was a good production for sure and i

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don't give my thumbs up to a lot of uh

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films i find sometimes it's uh

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you know the cut scenes early in the

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movie don't match you could tell they

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were from the end and whatever but yours

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flows properly you i bought in you know

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and i don't often do that so kudos to

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you and your editor for sure

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yeah we all we are all we're on the

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machine me rick degrees

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uh

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and then christopher seward and and

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someday we'll talk about that because

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you know christopher would come up you

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know he sorted i was my big stumbling

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block was how do i go back and forward

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in time

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like and and have it seamless he figured

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that out

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and he came up with a lot of brilliant

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ideas that were just beyond the rest of

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us i got to give him that credit right

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all i did to be honest with you in this

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film i mean i did every role i shot it i

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did everything but the most important

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thing i did in this film was not quit

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yeah

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fantastic

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how long in total do you figure from

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like concept to final cut like how long

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did it take to put this thing together i

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started in uh september 2007 and so in

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september this year it'll be 15 years

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wow

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well it took 15 years you know the lord

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of the rings took 12 years to make did

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it yeah it took 12 years to write the

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lord of the rings and it took you 15

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years to make this amazing documentary

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so i think the longer you put your your

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uh ambitions your love into it like the

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you can see that through the film right

510
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you know when when you rebuild the car

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you know

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i did a four-year

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automobile project if a sports car

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when you put that kind of time it's

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going to be really nice yeah you know

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same with the piano when you rebuild the

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piano

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the longer time you put in it's going to

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be a work of art right and as you said

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you kept getting more info that was

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going to add to the breadth of the film

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and

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give you more good stuff the longer it

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took you were rewarded for your patience

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you know yeah and i didn't expect that

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but that's that's what happened so did

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you have

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people reaching out to you often or was

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it you that was trying to reach out to

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them

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initially it was me trying to reach out

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to them

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and then

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then then it depended i mean they i

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think every single person at that school

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knew

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my number my email address since 2008

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okay

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and some of them of course

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weren't very excited that this was they

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didn't want this to be brought out

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so you know there were certain people

543
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who were very vocal and like yes please

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tell this story

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there are others that i really don't

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want to talk about it you know and and

547
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so over time you know more and more

548
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people said you know what

549
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it's going to come out anyway i might as

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well speak up

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so that happened till i mean i just this

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year i've gotten another

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student i've been looking for

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you know i i

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knew that she knew i was out here

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and she got in contact with me as with

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another male in was that eight months

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ago and i you know unfortunately the

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films wrapped but

560
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i really wanted those two

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in this movie but that's okay

562
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i'm glad they're

563
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:58,000
about it at least hopefully they can

564
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,200
talk about it to their friends and

565
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,039
family now you know

566
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,720
and one of the main issues too like you

567
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,280
mentioned before was that they weren't

568
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,559
able to

569
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,240
tell the teachers for starters the

570
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,240
teachers didn't believe them they go

571
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:12,080
home and their own parents don't believe

572
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:14,840
them so the people of authority the

573
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,919
grown-ups we're just telling shush it's

574
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:19,520
you know it's just make-believe it's not

575
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:22,640
true or the you know emily's case

576
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,080
strict christian fundamentalist parents

577
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:28,720
which that incident did not partake in

578
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,679
their world views at all so she grew up

579
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,360
harboring these feelings this

580
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,240
post-traumatic stress that she has

581
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,880
with dealing with what she witnessed and

582
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,400
as a person growing up after you

583
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:42,159
witnessed something like that

584
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,600
my hat's off to her because i don't know

585
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,679
how you function after that um you know

586
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,000
such a sighting so profound

587
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,159
uh and a shared sighting with that so

588
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,679
you know that you weren't crazy that you

589
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,640
didn't

590
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,320
imagine this this was

591
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,280
a whole school yard of kids

592
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,799
that's crazy

593
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,760
it is

594
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,440
and and you know some of the some

595
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,280
parents i mean the parents were really

596
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,480
important how they reacted yeah uh some

597
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,240
parents were like

598
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,039
were some parents were okay with it like

599
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,400
even the the more um

600
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,520
the native cultures had a very

601
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:20,080
i think those kids are okay because of

602
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,000
the fact that they were more like okay

603
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,840
we believe that you probably did see

604
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,520
something you know

605
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,559
whereas you know the more uh western

606
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,760
world

607
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,600
parents not all of them it really

608
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,679
depended on how the parents reacted what

609
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,919
what the parents belief system was was

610
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,640
how they treated their kids right and so

611
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,720
in a lot of cases that wasn't okay you

612
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:42,799
know it wasn't good for the child

613
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,480
in other cases it was um so it's very

614
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,159
it's complex the whole thing is very

615
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:50,000
complex when you really look at every

616
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,360
individual

617
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:53,919
person but but well said i'm glad you

618
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,480
brought that up yeah yeah we were

619
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,799
chatting before the show about you know

620
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,960
the trauma like you know why does it

621
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,559
seem everybody that has one of these

622
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,080
close encounter are not everybody but

623
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,159
many people and then there's that small

624
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,919
percentage that are really heavily

625
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,000
affected and emily in the movie i think

626
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,000
is one of those people you know you got

627
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:14,159
her crying on tape so many times and

628
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,760
that's just what made it on the reels

629
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,679
right so we were chatting about that you

630
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,039
know like wow it really hits me i didn't

631
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,400
try to get her

632
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,600
cry

633
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:25,760
i was just there to capture it yeah for

634
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,799
sure i didn't nothing was staged yeah

635
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,320
and sorry

636
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,000
no that's okay and we were talking about

637
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,159
that like why do some people why is it

638
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,320
so profound and then it just kind of

639
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,960
came to me and it's like well if you're

640
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:40,799
fully with it and you have all your

641
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,320
faculties if you literally see a silver

642
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,200
flying saucer and entities how do you

643
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,679
deal with that as crazy as that is you

644
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,360
know you're not stupid you know you're

645
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,120
seeing what you're seeing

646
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,520
like how do you then deal with that so i

647
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,360
mean if it were me and i haven't seen a

648
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,279
close-up disc and i haven't seen the

649
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:02,400
inhabitants of the disc but if i did i

650
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,159
might have a hard time digesting that

651
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,480
like not that it would you know throw

652
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,400
away all the things i learned or thought

653
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,760
i knew i'm okay with that i'm

654
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:11,679
open-minded enough with that but if you

655
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,480
actually see a functioning craft and

656
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,000
little green men

657
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,000
how does your brain just like yeah go

658
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,600
back to your normal life everything's

659
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,840
cool it would be on your mind constantly

660
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,840
i know at least for me uh it would be

661
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:24,960
that way

662
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,840
sure i think i the the word i always use

663
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,960
is

664
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,480
i mean how do you how do you wrap your

665
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,039
head around that you know it's just so

666
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,120
out of our

667
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,600
what we expect or what you know it's not

668
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,600
anything in our science fiction war

669
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:40,480
really

670
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:43,600
not the real thing yeah and yeah i mean

671
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,799
it's

672
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,039
it haunts your mind that's i've heard

673
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,679
several people say that word it haunts

674
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,240
me not because it's evil or it's some

675
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,559
kind of spiritual thing it's just

676
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,120
you you're your mind is constantly going

677
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,360
over it trying to figure it out and it's

678
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,400
beyond you figuring it out yeah yeah it

679
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,799
is it goes in the loop

680
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,520
you know well it's an alien experience

681
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,360
not just alien in the sense of these

682
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:11,200
entities but it's an experience that is

683
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,750
and there's a lot more people around

684
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:19,360
this world who are

685
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,039
again afraid to talk yeah keep it quiet

686
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,880
i mean there are people that have not

687
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,200
told anyone

688
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,520
like literally except me because i was

689
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,840
they like this guy's making a ufo movie

690
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,760
i can tell him yeah

691
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,440
and they would tell me the story of what

692
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,720
happened to them

693
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,279
and they would say do not tell anyone

694
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:40,960
what i told you but thank you for

695
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,840
listening to me yeah that's profound and

696
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,600
i can't tell you how many times that

697
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,960
that's happened i've had that happen

698
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,200
from somebody from japan

699
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,200
china

700
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,840
europe i mean people all over europe uh

701
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,320
africa south america i mean literally

702
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:59,120
the entire globe so what is going on

703
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,640
here yeah

704
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,799
yeah i mean that's my i mean what is

705
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,039
happening with this and

706
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,799
and why aren't we talking about it like

707
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,480
you said the metoo movement well maybe

708
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,120
we're the last people to get hurt

709
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,720
everybody else has gotten hurt right

710
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,720
well there's a whole group of people we

711
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,000
haven't been hurt

712
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,440
because everybody thinks we've been

713
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,400
crazy well we haven't yeah but it's time

714
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,720
to speak out and um one of them yeah

715
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,640
it's you know everybody that we talk to

716
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,240
on this podcast

717
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,840
all have similar things that they're

718
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,600
saying is that we need to talk more

719
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,240
about it the abduction phenomenon and

720
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,600
the witnessing of

721
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,960
of entities

722
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,320
that seems to be something that they're

723
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,240
not going to address in the media

724
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,000
anytime soon they're just talking about

725
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,000
the crafts getting people used to the

726
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,640
idea that we have stuff flying around

727
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,240
but the abduction phenomenon the

728
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:48,320
interaction between these entities and

729
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,039
us

730
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,799
is a lot more

731
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,720
common like you mentioned

732
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,039
than is spoken about right so that's

733
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,000
what this me 2fo or if you will

734
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,880
uh concept is is about it's like getting

735
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,279
people to stand up and speak out this

736
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,440
movie does that brilliantly i really

737
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,919
think that you did an amazing job

738
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,679
one of the things that i loved about it

739
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,840
was the description of the entities

740
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,120
themselves

741
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,200
uh the way that they would float or seem

742
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,440
like they would float on the ground

743
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,080
appear disappear just like an electron

744
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,559
would you know appear one spot appear

745
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,559
reappear in another spot and they all

746
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,880
witnessed this for about 15 minutes i

747
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:28,799
thought it was a lot shorter than that

748
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:31,919
me too yeah so 15 minutes this is a long

749
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,039
time that's a substantial sighting with

750
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,200
a lot of people

751
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,200
yeah i can't account for that entire 15

752
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:41,039
to be honest with you as a researcher so

753
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,240
i don't know

754
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,159
what else happened there to be honest i

755
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,080
don't know it just it does raise a

756
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,080
question in my mind right that's an

757
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,760
awfully long time

758
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,840
because you even have the uh two ladies

759
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,679
at the end of the movie saying that they

760
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,440
blocked a lot of this out or a lot of

761
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,679
the stuff has been blocked out that's

762
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,240
normal yeah and with time the kids were

763
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,799
saying time felt different within like

764
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:03,600
this

765
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,520
something that you hear a lot from

766
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,320
people that have these um

767
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,240
interactions with these entities is that

768
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,640
time seems to slow down and things don't

769
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,320
make sense they jump from one place to

770
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:17,520
another

771
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,240
this is one of the well documentary uh

772
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,960
well-documented cases for sure and yeah

773
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,279
thank you for making that movie

774
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,080
thank you it's been uh i'm glad it's

775
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,760
it's finally out into the world and

776
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,919
other people can see it and i hope the

777
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,600
world sees it

778
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,919
just to give you know

779
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:36,960
if people

780
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,240
look the military's addressing it

781
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,000
right we're going to see a big change

782
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,080
because the military has come out and

783
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,399
they're addressing it our planet is

784
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,760
addressing it

785
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,760
that's never happened before

786
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,880
so

787
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,480
there's likely a

788
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,720
very good reason for that

789
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,320
yeah

790
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,960
because they this is a big card

791
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,480
uh to drop

792
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,360
and uh not an easy one because of the

793
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,360
fear of public panic from their

794
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,080
perspective but i understand that too

795
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,880
um but it's a different day and and i i

796
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,720
look forward to us having these

797
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,640
conversations for real

798
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,399
because we need to have them and you

799
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,039
know we are a small ball floating out in

800
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,480
the middle of a enormous place which

801
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,240
you know are we we're still discovering

802
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,640
species in our oceans and our woods

803
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,240
yeah so

804
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,080
god only knows what's out there but we

805
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,720
should start paying attention

806
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,600
yeah it's the height of the mining

807
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,679
what's their what's their endgame what's

808
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,520
their interest in us

809
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,279
yeah really

810
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,640
yeah i'm wondering if we're at the

811
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,640
bottom of the total poll too right which

812
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,880
is most likely the case uh if they're

813
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,320
able to come here

814
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,720
we're not as advanced as they are by far

815
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,559
we haven't even got all out of our solar

816
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,159
system we haven't we're just beginning

817
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:56,000
to get off our planet

818
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,880
like

819
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,640
it's actually perfect timing for them to

820
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,240
show up because they're like yeah we

821
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,720
want to make before those little things

822
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,640
with legs and arms or whatever

823
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,799
get off their planet we better see what

824
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,480
they're up to

825
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,320
because we're coming out into

826
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,320
essentially maybe

827
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,039
somebody else's neighborhood yeah

828
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,880
and you know the funny thing about this

829
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,399
phenomenon is that we keep hearing what

830
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,039
we want the military to to address it or

831
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,360
to deal with it the problem is that

832
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,120
these entities seem to don't really care

833
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,559
so much about the military they're

834
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,039
dealing with people in everyday lives or

835
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,039
appearing to people in everyday lives so

836
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,960
you hear about these one-off abductions

837
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,480
where somebody gets taken while they're

838
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,120
driving home so the

839
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,880
we want the government to say something

840
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,640
but i think ultimately they can't do

841
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,799
anything about it they're not ever going

842
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,640
to be fast enough to catch these things

843
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,279
like we know they go from 80 000 feet to

844
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,320
5 feet above the water within a fraction

845
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,960
of a second you can't send a jet fast

846
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,880
enough to intervene one of these things

847
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,200
like there's literally nothing they can

848
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,600
do and i think that's part of the fear

849
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,679
is that saying like look regardless of

850
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,640
the technology that we have drones you

851
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,360
know nuclear weapons all that will not

852
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,840
do a single thing to be able to catch up

853
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,120
to these things

854
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,880
and that's part of the technology as

855
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,360
well which is a huge part of ufology is

856
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,200
like what are they

857
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,799
worthy from

858
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,720
and what do they want like why are they

859
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,360
appearing at schools uh this uh school

860
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,279
incident obviously is not the first one

861
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,039
there's been multiple other incidences

862
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,279
as well right correct

863
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,440
yeah there's one in the uk very similar

864
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,279
as well schools

865
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,480
craft yeah russia florida

866
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,200
south america chile

867
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:41,440
i mean there's a bunch that i'm aware of

868
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,320
right

869
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,559
and some of them had did interviews with

870
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,279
the kids not not quite as extensive as

871
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,600
ariel but there are other cases that

872
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,840
exist that i you know there's some other

873
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,679
people out there that know some of them

874
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,559
but um i mean i

875
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,399
explored that because

876
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,559
why are these all primary schools

877
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,000
mm-hmm

878
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,760
yeah that that one is

879
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:05,200
why are they talking to kids yeah

880
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,640
exactly

881
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,799
they don't come to older establishments

882
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,720
and and reveal things like that they go

883
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,080
to schools

884
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,720
right and in a certain like to me that

885
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,799
would have been my elementary school you

886
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,799
know third at my school it was third

887
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,880
grade to sixth grade

888
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,799
um and that's where primary schools are

889
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,039
essentially this was a a little extended

890
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,760
it went from six years old to

891
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:30,240
you know kindergarten to seventh grade

892
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,120
right

893
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,760
so they had a wider spectrum of ages but

894
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,320
the primary affected ages

895
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,159
in my opinion

896
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:40,320
were those same element third grade to

897
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,840
six

898
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,120
i know you mentioned in the movie that

899
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:45,039
they they didn't interview all the kids

900
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,480
at once right like they thought some of

901
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,799
the younger ones initially

902
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,880
their story may not be as credible so

903
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,000
the school

904
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,919
focused on it about the credibility of

905
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:55,840
the stories it was the fact that they

906
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,120
did not want to try to traumatize okay

907
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,799
the younger kids

908
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,039
because they were concerned about the

909
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,440
younger kids so they didn't have those

910
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,200
younger kids draw

911
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,960
they didn't interview those younger kids

912
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,039
so there's a lot more witnesses than

913
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,720
yeah we're aware of

914
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:15,519
uh the school knows this

915
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,480
um

916
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,399
because and i think they made the proper

917
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:20,480
decision at the time because those

918
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,600
younger kids were pretty shaken up

919
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,279
worse than the older kids and they

920
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:26,960
decided to just

921
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,519
remove them from the situation

922
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:31,279
yeah and i think that was a wise move

923
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,640
however

924
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:35,600
those children are

925
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:39,440
still around and they're in their

926
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,120
late 20s early 30s now and uh

927
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,039
they're starting to speak up

928
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,840
so i've talked to several of them

929
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,669
interviewed

930
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,200
one that's in the film but there are

931
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,039
others um

932
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,399
others also who have pretty good careers

933
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,399
they don't wanna

934
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,279
um have disrupted um

935
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,640
but

936
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:06,559
there's there's let's put it to see this

937
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:12,230
is do you think there'll be a part two

938
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,359
then

939
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,520
i don't know i mean i'm not really like

940
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,520
going i want to do something different

941
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:20,240
right because you've been on it so

942
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,159
well my wish is that is is that

943
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,320
you know i did my work to get the story

944
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,480
seen and i i really just want to give it

945
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,200
to the witnesses and give it to the

946
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:33,119
the people that saw something and let

947
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,480
them speak

948
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,240
you know and let them come out and let

949
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,359
them

950
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,280
on in whatever time they need to but i

951
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,720
know they're there

952
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,879
yeah and um

953
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:45,280
yeah i just

954
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:46,079
did

955
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,639
experience a telepathic message as far

956
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,639
as you're concerned was it just a few of

957
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,800
them that received it

958
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,919
in my

959
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,520
opinion

960
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,960
i mean i can only give you my

961
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,520
perspective and the perspective of who i

962
00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:03,359
talked to figuring out where they were

963
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,550
on the fields

964
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,240
[Music]

965
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,320
the ones that had that experience were

966
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,640
the closest to

967
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,839
the object the craft and the creature

968
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,640
okay

969
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,200
i mean this is an enormous playground

970
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,119
i gotta do the air you can go on google

971
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,160
earth and look at the size of this uh

972
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,640
an element you know primary school what

973
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:26,880
a nice primary school oh my gosh i wish

974
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,589
fields and my gosh well it was a very

975
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,680
expensive private school right it wasn't

976
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,599
like uh somewhere in the projects this

977
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,320
was uh an accredited and well-respected

978
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,680
place

979
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:43,680
well it became that way it was started

980
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,960
by the farming community in in the rural

981
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:49,520
areas and uh

982
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,720
it was a farmhouse and 1991 and this

983
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,400
came from one of the witnesses because

984
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,599
you know and

985
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,560
checking his story too but uh and they

986
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,359
made it into a school and um

987
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,440
it grew and grew and they you know it

988
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,680
wasn't just for well-off kids it was for

989
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,000
missionary kids it was for the local

990
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,880
villages around there right so you had

991
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,640
that's what's fascinating about this you

992
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,240
had

993
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,520
white kids black kids brown kids village

994
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,240
from literally all over the planet in

995
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,160
all these different positions with all

996
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:23,920
kinds of different religious beliefs

997
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,160
from animism to catholicism to i mean

998
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,079
that's maybe that's why they were so

999
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,079
interested in this particular school

1000
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,200
because open-mindedness right well yeah

1001
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,640
and variation of every single uh i think

1002
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,320
everybo it's not everybody was

1003
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,800
represented but boy what a spot i've

1004
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:44,480
never seen a school like that with that

1005
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:45,520
kind of

1006
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,400
mixture of of uh

1007
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,280
of uh students from all different types

1008
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,000
of circumstances

1009
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,640
religions all everything was yeah and it

1010
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,560
was like that was unusual and there was

1011
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,040
a few sightings in zimbabwe before this

1012
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,960
incident took place right

1013
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,480
before and after

1014
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,280
oh and after as well yeah okay

1015
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,640
so it's almost like they were scouting

1016
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:11,040
for a location

1017
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:12,480
i don't know what they were doing but

1018
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:13,200
they

1019
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,200
it wasn't just the kids that's for sure

1020
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:19,119
yeah the kids got the more close version

1021
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,320
yeah

1022
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,920
i mean somebody brought it up hey i

1023
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,839
don't know how he found that out

1024
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,280
because i got all these secrets that

1025
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,119
nobody knows because

1026
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,119
when the skeptics come out i got a lot

1027
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,160
of bombs to drop nice nice

1028
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,920
well it just thing

1029
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,920
fell at my doorstep and i'm like well

1030
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,680
that's not gonna i don't have room for

1031
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:39,280
that in the film i don't even want to go

1032
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,480
into that

1033
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,400
let's stick to the kids but there's all

1034
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,359
kinds of other stuff that happened

1035
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,760
that was pretty much on official levels

1036
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,599
and

1037
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,760
yeah it was not going to save that but

1038
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,920
somebody somebody figured it out

1039
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:55,599
something that took me years to figure

1040
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,240
out

1041
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:57,839
it was an it was an announcer and i'm

1042
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,470
but

1043
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,200
you know and it involves a radar

1044
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,440
a radar track track

1045
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,680
from going across the atlantic ocean to

1046
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,920
uh africa oh really

1047
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,839
at the night before

1048
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,920
oh geez they identified it as something

1049
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,359
that was not

1050
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,760
anything they understood

1051
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,599
and it's going to put it out there

1052
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,480
part-time

1053
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,760
so i'm just going to put it out there

1054
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,960
part two

1055
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,040
oh god

1056
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,720
wait wait wait wait wait a few months

1057
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,079
before i do

1058
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,960
just just wait a little bit but part two

1059
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,440
yeah exactly but it sounds like you got

1060
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,200
a lot to cover there like i said

1061
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,440
watching the emotional journey of emily

1062
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:41,359
throughout this movie of of going back

1063
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:42,240
there

1064
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,920
of of getting to me and she stayed about

1065
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:48,000
the house that she stayed at which was i

1066
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,440
think judy bates's house that had

1067
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:52,240
mistress was only 50 feet away from the

1068
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,520
landing site

1069
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,440
did was she freaked out by that at all

1070
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,599
or was she totally cool with it

1071
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,880
because she stayed at that house i

1072
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,640
figured if it was me i'd be kind of like

1073
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:01,599
yeah

1074
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:08,790
just thinking back um we were all aware

1075
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,599
that yeah everybody on the crew

1076
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,200
her

1077
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,839
emily and um

1078
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,000
yeah it was just

1079
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,240
of all the houses we got you know it was

1080
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:23,359
the headmistress's house she was so

1081
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,480
i mean

1082
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,040
she was so inviting and wonderful she

1083
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,760
let us stay in her own house yeah she

1084
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,280
seemed like a loved one i'm on the couch

1085
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,599
in the living room everybody got beds

1086
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:35,040
oh really

1087
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,349
cameras yeah and i had i so i and one

1088
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,040
and sorry to talk about myself go ahead

1089
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,720
it was funny because i'm i'm sleeping on

1090
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,960
the couch and because

1091
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,880
i'm the guy that had to go and switch

1092
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,800
the generator on when we lost power

1093
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,079
because they lose power all the time

1094
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:58,000
over there you have to have generators

1095
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,119
because you never know when it's going

1096
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,040
to happen this is africa right we don't

1097
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,359
understand what it's like

1098
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,480
they go they lose power all the time

1099
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,880
it's just yeah what a way to live so i

1100
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,440
was on generator duty

1101
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,359
that's why i was on the couch the guy

1102
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,960
who spends all the money gets the least

1103
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,960
appreciation time oh man yeah i don't

1104
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:18,079
mind

1105
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,520
so what yeah whatever you got to do you

1106
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,760
got to do so that must have been a

1107
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,760
technical nightmare for you to charge

1108
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,400
your cameras oh yeah get your drones

1109
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,760
going because you got some great drone

1110
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:30,400
shots in there as well the drone shots

1111
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,280
were

1112
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,280
i paid a case of beer for the drone

1113
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,079
shots in africa nice that's not a bad

1114
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,359
price at all

1115
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,680
for real and he had a really top online

1116
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,599
drone the one in canada

1117
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,319
was a good friend of mine and i said i

1118
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,480
need to get some drone work and he was

1119
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,240
doing a lot of drone work he also had a

1120
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,160
really expensive drone

1121
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,319
so i owe both of them you know they're

1122
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,119
both in the credits and um

1123
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:56,960
you know i have my own drone but

1124
00:41:01,030 --> 00:41:00,000
yeah they had top line stuff

1125
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,040
yeah no

1126
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,599
beer to get a drone shot that is not

1127
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,160
that at all that is not a bad trade

1128
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,599
that's guerrilla filmmaking eh yeah

1129
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,359
and like i said you captured these

1130
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,560
moments um especially with the

1131
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:16,000
the people that you've interviewed and

1132
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,440
there's a lot of them that you've

1133
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,599
actually tracked down and interviewed

1134
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,920
and i love the fact that it doesn't seem

1135
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,079
like you were intruding on them that so

1136
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,319
you were just capturing the moment

1137
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,599
as it was happening because some of

1138
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,359
these documentaries you can tell it's

1139
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,520
like they restage things

1140
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,440
uh you know let's have you standing here

1141
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,800
or whatever for you you were just

1142
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,480
following her around

1143
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,640
and like i said it was a beautiful film

1144
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,280
it gave it that um

1145
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,599
an emotional impact as well so it's not

1146
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,400
just the visual story of the the movie

1147
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,200
but also i you know i think you you did

1148
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,280
really well and getting the human side

1149
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:52,800
of the story as well

1150
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,480
yeah that was important to me i i um

1151
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,720
i know this may sound

1152
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,960
i don't know how it sounds but i i was

1153
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,720
doing a lot of wildlife

1154
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,280
filming photography

1155
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,359
and i wanted to approach this film like

1156
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,040
i would approach a wildlife film like

1157
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:11,920
let them exist and do their thing yeah

1158
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,200
and just observe and respect and just

1159
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,240
capture the moments yeah you know and

1160
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,560
sometimes you're caught off guard like

1161
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,040
i'm behind i'm behind the main character

1162
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,440
shooting from behind not good

1163
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,040
but you know

1164
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,069
it's real it's really what happened so

1165
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,319
you got to think about positioning a lot

1166
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,400
like where do i want to be and if i move

1167
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,640
there am i going to change the dynamics

1168
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,680
in the room so i lose the reality

1169
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,359
so it's like in wildlife you just want

1170
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,359
to be quiet and hidden so you don't

1171
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,880
affect the scene

1172
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,200
whatever a leopard's doing or whatever

1173
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,200
the creature is

1174
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,520
and i approached it the same way and i

1175
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,920
i kind of want to do that because

1176
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,599
in my next work i want to do the same

1177
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,040
thing because

1178
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,839
i'm not interfering with the story

1179
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,520
and i don't want to interfere with the

1180
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,520
story i want to tell the story

1181
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,359
but i don't want to interfere with it i

1182
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,720
don't want to

1183
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,760
cut

1184
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,160
and say oh we got gotta you know change

1185
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,319
that mic i mean sometimes you gotta do

1186
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,400
stuff like that but thank god we didn't

1187
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:18,720
we had backups for that stuff so if we

1188
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,000
lost something we didn't have to stop

1189
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,839
um and i that's the last thing i wanted

1190
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,200
to do was stop

1191
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,560
real from happening yeah yeah because

1192
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,160
her journey at the same time you didn't

1193
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,079
want to interrupt her

1194
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,920
coming back home going through all these

1195
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,839
things right that's and you could see

1196
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,599
that in the documentary it's almost like

1197
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,599
a fly on the wall type

1198
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,720
shot so yeah well done

1199
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:44,000
thank you i appreciate i really

1200
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,440
appreciate that i appreciate these

1201
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,440
questions too uh

1202
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,720
well i haven't got a lot of chance to

1203
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,560
talk about the making of you know

1204
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,960
everybody's so focused on

1205
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,680
the ufo topic it's like well god we made

1206
00:44:31,109 --> 00:43:56,800
a

1207
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:31,119
from home

1208
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,079
nice

1209
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,640
but we we spent the entire night right

1210
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,560
we had to sleep wherever we were they

1211
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:38,560
put us in these rooms

1212
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,440
and

1213
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,920
there were emily christopher

1214
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,040
me

1215
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:44,720
and nikki

1216
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,400
and do we barricaded our doors because

1217
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,560
we were for sure they're going to come

1218
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,720
in for the cameras and footage right

1219
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:54,640
like and this was only one time but

1220
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,440
anyway

1221
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,200
there's so many stories and there's

1222
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,359
another story where we were pretty sure

1223
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:01,040
all four of us were gonna be those

1224
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,319
actually that was three of us because we

1225
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,400
didn't take nicki on that trip

1226
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,319
we were for sure we were not gonna make

1227
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,400
it out of there oh really that was in

1228
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,640
the real deep but we were heading to

1229
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,560
gachigachi which is a

1230
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:13,680
you know

1231
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:18,319
a camp on lake lake kuriba uh

1232
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:27,990
there's no words for that but i i

1233
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,640
they'll they can tell you that story

1234
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,800
i still remember it well i thought i was

1235
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,880
done and so did they

1236
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,119
oh was it military or were just stuck in

1237
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,480
in the bush somewhere

1238
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,640
oh no we we we we

1239
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,319
it was it wasn't milk we had our own

1240
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,920
military that that was the other

1241
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,040
incident no this was with um

1242
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,800
essentially a village

1243
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,160
okay

1244
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,319
um the middle of nowhere

1245
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,760
and um

1246
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,160
the kind that you don't stop at

1247
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,560
we didn't stop we got trapped not with

1248
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,480
fancy gear anyways

1249
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:02,960
oh god i had 40 you know

1250
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,839
this is the hard reality of africa yeah

1251
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,319
but you know i had forty thousand fifty

1252
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:10,720
thousand dollars in my trunk

1253
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,880
and to a village in africa that's

1254
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,359
everything yeah

1255
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,079
and so you're outnumbered too right oh

1256
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,160
yeah and it's fine most of the people

1257
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,400
are beautiful and amazing they give you

1258
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,920
the shirt off their back they're really

1259
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:28,720
incredible but there is a there are

1260
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:31,760
other elements and i've run into that

1261
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,160
unfortunately several times so

1262
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,680
but that's what you do i just say

1263
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,640
anybody that wants to do that be careful

1264
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,520
that's all

1265
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,119
if you travel over there be careful

1266
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,680
that's all find out what your

1267
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,440
what your risks are that's all what

1268
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,440
you're getting into but like i said just

1269
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,440
watching um i didn't know

1270
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,400
i learned by making the mistakes

1271
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,400
not a good idea at least you made it out

1272
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,119
okay that's the important part uh so for

1273
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:58,800
the documentary where can people find

1274
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,000
this documentary um and the release date

1275
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,040
is already out isn't am i uh getting

1276
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:07,680
this wrong here no we we released on

1277
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,280
friday yeah 20th uh our website got so

1278
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,319
many hits we crashed and we i'm you i

1279
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:17,839
was using commercial servers amazon

1280
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,960
uh whatever uh vimeo i mean we used

1281
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,559
really we were set

1282
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,680
but

1283
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,920
we had issues on the first day which

1284
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,280
screwed us up

1285
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,160
and you know the idea was kind of like

1286
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,440
let me release on my own site

1287
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,680
for sort of a soft release we've got you

1288
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,280
know you'll you're gonna see it on the

1289
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,760
major platforms very soon

1290
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,119
but the site is called

1291
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:43,119
aerialphenomenon.com

1292
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,359
it's a-r-i-e-l phenomenon

1293
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,839
dot-com and um i mean you can just

1294
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,440
google that and

1295
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,800
you'll see

1296
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,480
i mean it's just crazy what's going on

1297
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,640
on the internet the film is just

1298
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,800
taking off which is great reviews are

1299
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,160
great yeah

1300
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,319
yeah i couldn't ask for i mean it's just

1301
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,240
it's a beautiful thing that's happening

1302
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,160
and it's really

1303
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,280
i i just appreciate that i don't

1304
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,119
you know yeah well you did well i

1305
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,880
learned good film

1306
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,200
yeah it took too long yeah it took me a

1307
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,800
long time but you know what it's it's

1308
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,800
all coming together now so

1309
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,680
yeah you did good kid you did good

1310
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,520
thanks man where could people find you

1311
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,440
online randall

1312
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:26,480
online

1313
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:30,480
at all you on twitter or anything like

1314
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,160
that i kind of went dark about

1315
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,640
five or six years ago i got off facebook

1316
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,880
i mean i am on facebook but i

1317
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,119
just recently but i i you know and

1318
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,800
twitter and stuff like that

1319
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,480
but i i just

1320
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,559
i had too much on my plate and i

1321
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:48,240
couldn't even deal with social media

1322
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,440
anymore for a while i'm just i'm

1323
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,200
re-addressing it and jumping in again

1324
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,280
right not much has changed i mean i

1325
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,440
learned really complex programs so the

1326
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:59,359
internet is not a big deal

1327
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,400
but

1328
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,040
the big deal for me is being social you

1329
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,280
know i used to be a social person before

1330
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,200
i did this film and i've become kind of

1331
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,559
a hermit okay um so yeah a lot of

1332
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:12,240
personal transformation and i'm really

1333
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,119
not

1334
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,440
i really don't i'd rather be doing

1335
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,680
something and creating something than

1336
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,920
talking about it right because if you're

1337
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:22,000
talking about it it ain't getting done

1338
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,359
yeah and you don't want to unless you're

1339
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,640
doing your job your job is to do that

1340
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,319
it's to promote it get the word out

1341
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,559
there right yeah uh louis do you have

1342
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,559
any final questions for our guest no i

1343
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,839
just want to say thanks very much

1344
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,720
randall nickerson uh you are very humble

1345
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,800
and very talented man you know sometimes

1346
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,040
we get certain guests that

1347
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,800
want to promote themselves and all of

1348
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,240
their other work and everything else and

1349
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,079
that's cool we do provide a venue for

1350
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,800
that but your uh your humbleness was

1351
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,720
inspiring for sure i sense there's a lot

1352
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:53,040
more that you could have brought up you

1353
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,559
could pat yourself on the back a lot

1354
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,200
more uh but we'll do that for you job

1355
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,839
well done awesome movie and uh we highly

1356
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,440
recommend it to all of our listeners and

1357
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:03,520
thanks again for being on uab studies by